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title: Conversations that fill us with dread
description: A frank discussion between Helena Dolny and Jon Foster-Pedley about communing with those who are terminally ill.
---

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# [Conversations that fill us with dread](https://blog.henleysa.ac.za/podcast/message-of-congratulations-to-the-springboks-from-henley-africa-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0)

 Written by [Henley Press Office](https://blog.henleysa.ac.za/podcast/author/henley-press-office) | Dec 12, 2022 9:53:11 AM

 

#### During this fascinating conversation, Jon Foster-Pedley talks to Helena Dolny about her 'gift' – the ability to sit with and empathise with those who are terminally ill.

#### More than simply a discussion about death, this insightful dialogue highlights the “ultimate personal leadership” that is found only in the last days of one’s life. In Helena's opinion great leaders including her late husband Joe Slovo, and Nelson Mandela, whom she knew personally, failed to get this right.

Talking about death, says Helena, helps one live longer. Take a listen to find out how.

 

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